SCD Legal Yogurt: Sterilize to 180, or Leave It Raw?

Impatience Brews Experimentation

I’ve been making SCD legal goat milk yogurt with raw goat milk from Claravale since December.  It hasn’t been a fix for my gut, and although I’ll give it at least 1 year, being the picture of impatience that I am, I started wondering if this was really the best way to maximize the yogurt’s benefits.  SCD legal instructions are simple: sterilize the milk at 180F, let it cool down 100F incubate it, incubate it between 100-110F for 24 hours.

The first step is meant to kill off any pathogens in the milk (whether it’s pasteurized or raw), so that you only incubate (grow) the probiotic strains that are in whatever starter you put in afterwards.  The problem I have with this logic:  Relying on 3 strains (such as the 3 in GI ProStart recommended by SCD) to fix a severely compromised GI immune system seems a bit like a drop in the bucket, considering “it is probable that 99% of the bacteria (in our gut) come from about 30 or 40 species” - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gut_flora.  I always thought the beauty of using raw goat milk was that it contains various species of beneficial flora.

Raw Milk Gets a Raw Deal

The much-advertised problem with leaving the raw milk unsterilized is that the good stuff grows with the bad when you incubate it.  Is this a problem though?  Sandor Katz says in his book, The Art of Fermentation: “Back in the old days you simply set some milk aside and sooner or later it clabbered by itself. In this day of pasteurized milk, I guess you would need a starter….the sour-clabbered version of raw milk is still safe to consume curdled so long as the raw milk itself is safe to drink fresh. This is because the very bacteria that sour it protect it from pathogenic bacteria.”  (Nod to Lisa P).

Ultimately I decided to take the risk of growing the bad stuff with the good because I felt the risk had been overstated.  Chris Kresser provides some perspective here http://chriskresser.com/raw-milk-reality-is-raw-milk-worth-the-risk:

“According to the CDC, during the period from 1990 − 2006, there were 24,000 foodborne illnesses reported each year on average. Of those, 315 per year are from dairy products. This means dairy products account for about 1.3% of foodborne illnesses each year.”

“there hasn’t been a single death attributed to raw fluid milk since the mid-1980s, in spite of the fact that almost 10 million people are now consuming it regularly.”

“The takeaway is that thousands of people are killed each year by foodborne illness, but they’re dying from eating fruits, nuts, eggs, meat, poultry, fish and shellfish – not from drinking unpasteurized milk.”

For the chronically-ill, there’s a bit of a chicken and egg issue.  Obviously our population is the most vulnerable to foodborne illnesses, but on the other hand, it appears rebooting the gut is more successful when you introduce broad-spectrum as opposed to a few species.  MAF314 uses fresh colostrum.  Fecal transplants are clearly working for GI disorders, and you’re telling me that transplanting someone else’s poop if you have a leaky gut is safer than ingesting some raw goat milk?   Again, a little perspective.  

Experimentation in pictures

claravale goat milk

My Precious. $7 a bottle is painful, but there’s a $1.50 bottle return credit to lessen the pain. Heat the milk up to 110F on a hot plate, mix in the starter, then….

goat milk yogurt incubator

Dump it into the 1-quart canister, which then goes into the incubator. I used my old one since it’s pre-set to 110F (the desired temperature for SCD), but Yogourmet would work equally well. Let the red light run for 24 hours….

raw goat milk yogurt runny

At the end of the 24 hours, the top looks ominously watery…. 

But sometimes love just needs a little stirring… 

blueberry raw goat milk yogurt

Especially when blueberries never hurt a goat. 

Just remember: this is the freshest-tasting, least-gamey yogurt I’ve ever had.  You may not be able to stop.  Count your spoons and skip the eye test!  (Seriously this is important when you’re build up slowly.)

Results

I’m alive!  Which should never be taken for granted.

Besides that, the first batch was quite gnarly.  It appeared to light a fire under my brain, but interestingly didn’t cause cognitive issues.  It was like an ever-so-slight fever.  The following batches waned in intensity, but continued to produce a slight rush which I never got from the sterilized version.

I’m finishing off the GI ProStart starter, but after it’s gone I’m gonna order one of 2 probiotics that have been recommended by friends that have tons of yogurt- and kefir- making experience:

  • 18-strain probiotic sold by Dr. Dale Guyer, a ME/CFS physician in Indiana (317) 580-9355.  Last I heard, $45 for a 1-month supply, but will last longer since you only need 1/8 teaspoon (YMMV) to make the yogurt.
  • Biokult, a 14-strain probiotic

The goal here: Get closer to the “fecal transplant” idea by introducing healthy microbiota (or the totality of microbes) to the body  It may turn out that these probiotics won’t work with goat’s milk (more finicky and delicate.)  We shall see!

  • Jenny P

    I needed name of good starter. Thanks! In reading Dr. Campbell-McBride’s “Gut and Psychology Syndrome” last night she recommends-discusses making Yoghurt without heating! unless the person can’t deal with the more clumply, sour, more watery consistency…So Rock on Joey. Next on list is getting an inexpensive yogurt incubator. I haven’t been able to tolerate Dairy in 15 years…and will start with Goat milk…only into 2nd week of GAPS…so intro’ing dairy will be longer for me then it recommends! Keep us posted…

    • http://blog.healclick.com/ Joey Chang

      You’re in norcal right? So getting Claravale should be easycakes. VERY interesting about GAPS. When you say “without heating” you mean, pre-heating? Meaning she still incubates at 100F-110F?

      Inexpective used yogourmet incubators should be easy to find on ebay.

      • JennyP

        yes…no pre heating and only incubating at 100F-110F. Great…off to eBay i go. Yes, on peninsula :) Love lastest Blog too…SO TRUE!

  • CJ

    I don’t think Gottschall’s intent is to destroy existing organisms at 180F; the main reason to heat yogurt is to denature the enzyme that prevents milk from coagulating. I only heat to 170, and it could probably go lower, so long as the end product is solid. I use a large crock pot, and do a gallon of milk at a time.

    Jenny asks about a good starter. I recommend the Trader Joe’s house brand yogurt (no bifidobacterial species). However, other starters will work; I used to use/recommend Fage, but their label now reflects the presence of bifidus, so I’m not sure if they started adding it, or if it has always been there and they just didn’t say so for whatever reason.

    In a pinch, acidophilus capsules work. However, Culturelle produces a disturbing, cheesy product that isn’t palatable, similar to that when the probiotic Bacillus coagulans is used.

    • http://blog.healclick.com/ Joey Chang

      Does it matter what her intent was if the end result is that good and bad bacteria are destroyed? I’m not well versed on what the solidification means, but I’m going for the most bacterial strains, and would choose a totally liquid product if that meant it were better.

      Interesting to hear how Culturelle turned out. I guess I won’t be trying that one!

  • Cedric

    Joey, just out of curiosity, why haven’t you tried to actually do a fecal transplant? I am not sure what the overall response has been to people with ME/CFS has been, however it seems like it would be a logical thing you would look into considering all the effort you put towards gaining healthy bacteria and gut flora. Thoughts?
    Also, do you have IBS symptoms as part of or preceding your illness?

    • http://blog.healclick.com/ Joey Chang

      Good question Cedric. I’m following the therapy closely, but want to see more doctors working with this. I don’t want to be the one to pick a source, and I do think pathogenic testing is necessary (just like how raw milk is tested for pathogens!)

      Yes I am diagnosed with IBS, which arose concurrently with the ME/CFS

      • Cedric

        Thanks for the feedback. I am following it as well. Assuming the donor is screened properly and done under physician supervision Ive so far only heard the procedure going one of two ways: either it helps the ME/CFS or does nothing at all. Havent heard anyone getting worse from it.